LPD football 2007

**pvfan** · July 16th, 2007, 03:22 PM

Comparing the 04 team to today, which couldn't run the ball down peoples throats out of the I (good teams, I'm not talking about bottom feeders) they had a better TB in Patrick, and the line was far superior. The recievers were a young Lawson, Juhan (extremly hard work ethic), Andy White, and Keegan (who if he caught it he was gone). PV runs spread because they are forced to run it, go back and look at the 05 Norton game to those who are all about run it down their throats, or even the 05 Haysi game. The line from the 05 team will be very similar ot the 07 team. PV went to the spread out of smaller lineman and to beat GC, well they have accomplished the GC feet, right now Norton has had better athletes. More times than not the horses win, it doesn't matter what you run. Norton has been a bad matchup for PV last couple years, they are stronger and as fast, hard to do much in that situation.

**sup-rbeast** · July 16th, 2007, 04:41 PM

PV needs to get back in the I and learn to run block again. They can run some spread, but they haven't done anything since they changed into running it. With PV's talent, the I would give them a MUCH better shot of winning the big one than the spread would. And, don't even say the line is to small to run the I, cuz until the mid 90's PV always had a fairly small, but quick and hardnosed line...and ran all over people with it...so PV isn't forced to run anything. If anything the spread has made them passive and less physical, and it itself has contributed to PV's ground game woes. In order to run the I the linemen have to be taught to be aggressive, and get down into a stance and fire off (insted of standing there waitin for a defender). This difference in itself also makes the D tougher and more physical cuz in practice they get hammered daily by the o-line. They could put their FB traps, HB counter traps, options, and play action....anything they wanted to do from the I. At one time the PV offense wasn't limited to 4 run plays and throwing. PV used to primarily run the I but incorporate split backs, single backs, fullhouse, empty sets, twins or trips out of running formations..etc. They were nowhere near as predictable as they are now. Lawson has the skills and should be the feature back instead of a receiver. Malcolm will make a good FB, and his bro could play as a receiver..with mitchell as QB. And I know PV has more skill than that so maybe they could incorporate more of it into their lineup to keep the players fresh. And, from that roster, if they can't find 5 players who want to and are able to block, they don't need to win any more than 6 games. It's been done in the past with less talent (but more heart and determination) against teams every bit as good and many times tons better than the opponents they face nowdays. It comes down to a question of heart and willingness to throw down the gauntlet and challenge the opponents toughness...somethin PV hasn't done in a long while (since Barry Jones left). BTW as far as PV's successes with offenses..I formation 8-0...spread 0-1...nuff said.

**pvfan** · July 16th, 2007, 06:30 PM

In the mid 90's they had Thomas and Julius Jones. I would also argue that Bishop was a better runner that what they have now. The game is different now, well not the game the state. If PV goes to the I like so many PV fans wish to do, and they get the hell beat out of them (like they did against Norton in 05) and are only able to beat the bottom feeders everyone will scream for Phils head. I agree a lot comes down to how much your putting forth (in terms of players) but in the end there doing the best with what they have. The drills are still the same, the coaching is still the same, theres only so much a coach can do.

**sup-rbeast** · July 16th, 2007, 07:04 PM

I've been to state games in the past few years, and I've not seen a team yet that could have beaten Central Lunenburg from the mid to late 80's. You don't go to the I for one game...you go to it and stay in it. Other sets can be run but the I should be the primary formation. I come from that tradition and I've seen bits and pieces of PV's practices in the past few years, and they are nowhere near as physical as they need to be. In addition, the techniques they teach their o-line is not what they need if they play on having a running game. You can't teach a lineman to stand up and be passive and then expect him to drive a defensive lineman 3 yards off the ball in a fourth quarter situation from the 1. And, even though Bishop was a couple years after my time, I would argue that he is among the 5 best RBs PV has had EVER. You have to remember though PV had as many state championships before the joneses as they had after they arrived. That was accomplished against Teams that would win the Division 2 Championship against today's teams hands down. It comes down to techniques taught, and the attitude, toughness, and heart of the players. Cuz if PV can only beat the bottom feeders out of the I, those qualities are what need to be questioned. A state championship while playing for PV isn't a birthright...and it didn't just fall into any of the past teams laps...it was earned through hard work and dedication...something the past few years worth of players don't seem to grasp.

July 16th, 2007, 07:18 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wyattyap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol nail on the HEAD </div></div>
Being a Dawg this will sound a little strange. Till somebody beats them, and with the number of backs JIB returns, I'd wait till after my team played them before I counted them out," You got to beat the man to be the man."

**imported_Counts** · July 17th, 2007, 08:51 AM

I agree with BOTH sides LOL

I think that IF PV is going to the "I" it needs to be for more than 1 game here and there and I personaly like the "I" better than the spred

I also think that PV should probably stay in the spread this year given that it is what this team has grew up with and it is usaly not good to switch hourses mid stream (and they were region D champs last season and should be the early favs going into the season

On a side note I heard yesterday that Cedric would be lineing up at recever and Lawson at QB this season any truth to that and if so how will it change PV?

**Chubzfan** · July 17th, 2007, 02:26 PM

No truth to it, Cedric is QB.

**imported_Counts** · July 17th, 2007, 03:32 PM

Thanks I was trying to put the reasons for such a move in my head and I was not sure it would help them more than it hurt them

**FBDevotee** · July 20th, 2007, 09:33 AM

The spread offense has propelled Powell Valley to the last three state regional finals and one state championship game. In head-to-head match ups with JIB, the PV spread is 3 wins 2 losses.

IMO, the reason PV has not advanced farther or had even more success is not the offense, it is defense. The truth is that ever since Barry Jones left the coaching staff, the Viking D has not been the same. You win championships with defense & the PV teams of the 80's and 90's had great defensive units.

If the defense improves, PV can win the state title with the spread. If the defense does not play better this year than last, the spread, wishbone, I, or single wing will not be enough to get them to the next level.

**imported_Hokies4Ever** · July 20th, 2007, 09:48 AM

I just dont give the problem to the defense. The last 2 yrs the problem has been Giles. When you lose to State Champion and then last year the runner up thats not something to be ashamed of. This year i look for Powell Valley to compete for a shot to go to the State Championship. If they make it there going to most likely play Goochland who has about everybody back from last years State Championship team.